Hello, hello. Oh my gosh, you guys, I've missed you so much. Welcome back to another episode of the W-O-F-B, where I'm Cameron Matheny, your host. principal of Cameo Studio Designs and founder of Designer Dopamine. Today, I am so excited that I get to really chat with some ladies that I think that you're going to absolutely love. You may even know. But today I am meeting with Shannon and Carrie. And they are waiting backstage from Reach Social Media. This episode today is going to be super exciting. Know, though, that this podcast is proudly presented by the WOFB and sponsored by my company, Cameo Studio Design. 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So whether you are working on a bathroom, makeover, kitchen backsplash, or expansive commercial projects, LATICRI offers installation solutions to make your vision come to life. And this I know for sure that we will talk more about how LATICRI sponsored showed up and helped an all-female crew and myself install a floor overnight. So LATICRI, they have you covered. For those of you just joining me, today we are in season two of the hammer versus honey approach in work life and all of the things. As a hammer builds strength and honey feeds growth, the metaphor contrasting persuasion, but also problem solving. So today, as I mentioned, I am chatting with Shannon Vogel. And she is the proud founder and owner of Reach Social. She's a certified social media strategist and a 25-year veteran of the flooring and interior design industry. Plus, she is accompanied by the beautiful Carrie Davis, vice president at Reach Social, who brings 30 years of experience to the flooring industry And she has also appeared on, oh, one day I hope to be there. But guys, she's appeared on HGTV and spoken at national conferences. So ladies, thank you. Welcome to the WOFB. Thanks for having us. We're excited to be here. Oh, you are so welcome. You ladies look so beautiful with your wonderful hairstyles and your wonderful glasses. I just love it. Love it, love it, love it. So Shannon, I'm super excited that you and I have finally connected on a platform like the podcast. I find you just to be a real, a really interesting woman from the day that I met you, from the day that I've heard you speak. I know a little bit about Reach Social, but can you tell our audience of what that journey has looked like through finding Reach Social and how it's evolved over the years? Yeah, so it's an interesting journey and I'll take you all the way back to, I originally went to school to be a therapist and I knew exactly what I was going to do, exactly how I was going to do it. I had a plan and I had not yet learned that the universe just laughs and laughs and laughs when you make a plan. So I got redirected and somewhere around graduation day at college, my daddy goes, yeah, so what are you gonna do when the first person offs themselves because of something you said? And I was like, bro, do you see the cap and gown like you and mom have already paid the bill? What are we doing here? And I said, well, if I'm not if I shouldn't be a therapist, what should I do? And he goes, well, you should come back and work for the family flooring store in Cheryl, South Carolina. And I was like, you know, I just spent my whole life trying to get out of here. And next thing I know, I'm doing all the things I said I'd never do. I got married. I lived in a brick house. I had a Labrador and all the things. And I worked in the family flooring store. Turns out it was the best decision that I ever could have made. I wouldn't change any of it. So I did interior design, commercial, residential, all the things. And one day Susie homeowner broke me. It was during one of the times when people were spending money they didn't have. And I'm convinced that this woman, her husband paid me to babysit her. and I told her all the things like you know you got to wait until all the pictures are hung in the bathroom before you can you know decide if you like it like there's a lot of moving parts just trust me you know I see your vision we'll do all the things so we get almost the end and she says um I don't I'm really mad at you today and I don't think that um I like my bathroom because the brass on the floor vents doesn't match the brass on the faucets so I said um okay like Got my woos on, calmed down a little bit. And I was like, you know what? You really need to wait until the towels are hung and the picture is back on the wall. And at that moment, like she broke me. I didn't want to do it anymore. And at that same time- You were a little honey approach there, it sounds like. Yeah, it was a moment. And then I ended up getting a divorce, moving to a bigger city. And I met Carrie somewhere along the way. And we have this thing where Carrie says, you know, you every day that you hate your job, you have to put a red X on a blank calendar. And when you get through the end of the month and you have more red X's than you have blank spaces, you have to quit your job, leave your husband, you know, stop shopping in that supermarket, whatever it is that you're trying to measure. And my red X calendar looked like the Sharpie factory blew up on my paper. So I said, OK, I got to quit. Now what? And coincidentally, at the same time, Carrie came to me and said, hey, we got this opportunity that we think only you can really fill the shoes for. And that was writing the blog for the WFCA. And this was back in 2007. So we're thinking like, who's going to read an online article, internet thing about flooring? Nobody cares. I had no idea what a blog was, mind you. And so I called Shannon. I'm like, I know, you know, technology, you know, design, and you're the only person that I know that can marry those two together where somebody might actually read it and listen to it. Do you know what a blog is? And if you do, you have a job. And then that'll take care of one of our red X's because we can work together, which was always a goal. Carrie, I love that, too. I mean, as the vice president of Reach Social, it seems like that, well, I would like to know more, but what are your prime responsibilities to help Shannon then kind of fulfill that vision of Reach Social? Mostly it's content strategy and implementing content. what we feel like is going to be the best approach for our customers to reach their customers and making sure what we're putting out there and we're representing them authentically to the best of our ability, be the experts that they don't have time to be. And so that we're putting that out there in their authentic voice and maintaining those customer relationships. Also, I think between Shannon and I, I mean, we're a little like black and white, which is kind of cute that we ended up like this. Yeah. um but we always joke that we're black and white and we bring different skill sets different personalities to the table but it becomes the perfect recipe as a team and so together we can go farther because we complement each other that way and how we can work with our clients so she has expertise and things that I don't get involved in in touch and then there are things that she can turn over to me that are more my sweet spot and I can run with and I really love. And we laugh all the time. And she would say like, oh, I have to do this today. And I'm like, oh, let me do it. Let me do it. Or I'm like, oh, I hate this. It always gets me stuck or I bog down. And she's like, and she fixed it. I love those. Yeah. So I love to see that ping pong. I mean, already just we're just a few minutes in the conversation and just the fluid, how the both of you are flowing. I mean, sitting there, it's like yin and yang. I mean, you say the black and white, but that's what that reminds me of is like the yin and the yang. And, you know, I love how when we're just talking here and the both of you just work so beautifully together with that synchronicity. Shannon, with women that are in leadership and empowerment, I know like one of the very first times I met you, and we're going to jump into that a little bit later, I met you because you were on stage at a women's conference and you're well known in the industry as a public speaker and impact speaker. How do you use your platform that you have for other women in the business through social media? Can you touch on that just a bit? Yeah, so I try to show up and tying into what Carrie was saying just a minute ago, the difference between us, we're very similar. Like we've been best friends for over 20 years. but also I cuss a lot. She, you know, I try to get her to cuss every once in a while. Like we have completely different approaches to things. I'll drop the middle of a word and Carrie, she'll, you know, Shannon, but then also she's like, well, that's who you are. And so that, that part works. I say all that to say that I try to show up as real and authentically as I can to give people permission to be their authentic self and to buck the system and burn down society's checklist and question everything so that they can figure out who they are so that they can then show up as who they were meant to be, not who, you know, I call it emotional frosting that we've all been put on our cupcake. So I try to just show up and give people permission to be who they are and stop apologizing and stop hustling for their worth, because it's hard being in a male dominated industry like it. Change it for anything. But let's get real. Like, it's not always easy. I was going to say, I think I need a carry because I'm an HR nightmare and completely unenjoyable. I am a walking HR violation. JENNY GUY- I feel like we need a little bell for violence. Or can I stray over to Shannon's side if I cuss? And she's like, oh. And it's a whole celebration. Yeah. Right. But I was going to add to what Shannon was saying. The other thing, one thing that I've learned from her that has been really valuable. And I think something that we try to pass on to other women is asking questions and being able to have your voice and understand who you are, your position of power, standing in your power. And one of the phrases that she taught me, that I use all the time is is it true it's a question to ask yourself you know oh I feel this or oh they'll think that if I do this or say that and she'll say is that true and it's like oh I hmm great question I don't is it true or did I just make that up is that I've been conditioned have I been conditioned to believe that and act that way um so that's a great way she empowers people You know, I think that that's so important, Shannon, you and I, you know, have some parallels in this industry as I was in social work. And so being able to navigate and work through and helping people come from a place of their social construction and their own thoughts and their own schisms that they've created, that they just continue to play over and over again in their head. of whenever I work in this industry with women, I mean, I just went through this, where I'm like, you have to stand in your power. And I've been running job sites, commercial job sites now for six years. I've had all men that are great allies that have been in my corner doing my installations, but not one of them when there's a little bit of a Carrie, don't kill me here. But when there's a little bit of a fuck up there, you know, my allies that are working on my job are the first to throw me under the bus. And do you know, I put together an all women crew just last week. And for the first time when I wasn't on a job site, that woman stood in her power and represented me and represented what we were doing and said, you know, Cameron is a powerhouse and anything she does, I stand behind and this is how we're doing this. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I love this. Right. Right. To not only stand in your power, but stand in her power and vice versa. Right. We have to stand in each other's power and support each other and champion each other and not break down and criticize. We have to stand together and and talk about and promote and celebrate when they're not in the room and when they are in the room. Straighten each other's crowns. Right. Right. Cameron, that's why I was so attracted. It froze for just a second. Yeah. Okay. I think we're back. What were you saying now? I was just saying, that's why I was so attracted to you when you were in that first session, you sat at the back of the room and that bright pink, and you are so strong in your power just by sitting there. I was like, I actually, for the first time standing on stage, I was like, oh my God, there might be somebody in the audience that doesn't need to hear this. And I thought, she's already got her shit together. She doesn't need to hear any of this. And then, you know, turns out that's never true. It's always the women that look the strongest that... don't ever, you know, people don't always support and tell them you're beautiful, you're strong, you're all these amazing things. And I call it the Carrie Davis syndrome. Like people don't generally walk up to her and say, oh my gosh, you look so pretty. Cause they assume that she knows she does because she always looks good. And she wants to hear it just as much as anybody else. But yeah, I'll never forget the back of the room. And I was like, that is a force that I must know. And then you opened your mouth and I was like, okay. And here we are. So, you know, we touched on this a little bit. This season two has been really about what I call the hammer versus honey approach, that metaphor of coming into a job or coming into a situation with either the hammer that really brings that power or, you know, that sets those boundaries or the honey, which is more empathetic, sympathetic and can like, you know, huddle, so to speak. That's the metaphor, at least that I sometimes use. I'm known as bringing the hammer, always have. But what do you think is your leadership style, both of you? And how would you describe those styles and work together to inspire maybe your team or clients? So I'd say my leadership style, I don't know that this is technically a style, but I hire really strong people that like Carrie runs her own department. Like she could do all of it on her own. And every once in a while, she has a question that is not Google, but I think hiring people that are, you know, already empowered and strong and just, you know, run their own ship and have their shit together. That's, who I like to be surrounded by. And then hopefully I show up with the empowerment and motivation and love and all the gooey stuff and all the empathy and sympathy and all of those things, um, to round it out. Um, nobody's ever asked me that question. So that's my, uh, that's my answer. I love it. It's great. Yeah. What about you, Kelly? I think, um, when I think about leading others, I love to try and think of myself, and I don't know, I don't think this is mine. I think I heard this somewhere, so I'm gonna give credit to whoever it goes to. is being kind of a lantern carrier or like the torchbearer. I think there's, I love to be that person out front that's shining the way, right? Lighting the way. This is the direction we go. These are the steps on how you get there to empower them and teach them. And I really enjoy that. I love training. I love bringing in somebody new and trying to assess their skills and being able to grow that. But I also think like for me, the end goal is to be able to then step back still with my light, but let them lead and let them chart their own course. And there's going to be opportunities where you have to step in and shine light on something that's a new experience for them, a question, a challenge or a failure. And there are failures because then that means we're out there doing something right now. And we're forging new paths and collecting new skills and new experiences. But you have to fail along the way. That's how we all learn. And so I always try to be like that light that is either out in front or behind. Or sometimes I have to step in and illuminate the whole thing. Girl, you are speaking to my soul with all that light talk. I love it. Also, so both of you, it seems like that you're influencers through Reach Social Media. And I'm really curious as we talk about social media influence, how do the both of you see social media evolving as a tool for women to stand in their power, but particularly through women in a male-dominated industry like flooring, tile, etc. ? So I think social media is so great because it gives a woman the opportunity to have her own voice, use her voice and not have to ask permission. Like a woman today with social media in the flooring industry, can say whatever she wants, however she wants to say it, as much as she wants to say it. She doesn't have to go through any, you know, and I'm not bagging on men, but she doesn't have to go through the chain of men in order to let somebody else decide if she's allowed to say this or not. So you can show up authentically as who you are instantly. Yes. As long as you want. And I think the other benefits is that, I mean, I agree with everything that Shannon just said, but also that you can either create your own community or become a part of a community. And that's just important for everybody. But especially if we're focusing on women and in this industry, you have people that you can turn to share opinions, get advice, and nobody wants to be alone, right? It's such a great journey to be able to have people alongside you, people who've gone before you. So having that community is really become empowering. I think so too, you know, and you bring up a really good point and I've, I've talked about this before, but you know, my background is lighting design. I was in the lighting, still in the lighting industry for 10 years prior to getting into the tile industry. And the lighting industry is amazing. It's a lot like the fashion industry. It's very like all of the things that they're doing are just so insane. And I've been a part of a mentor through women in lighting, you know, wild women in lighting and design. But no, that industry did not embrace me like the flooring business, the tile business. You know, that time that I met you, Shannon, I also met Michelle Winters and her and I also connected. And she saw something in me that I didn't even see, that I didn't even know I was good at. And, you know, Two months ago, she came to me, three months ago, she came to me and said, you need to be a host of a podcast. Your voice, people listen to you. You are so powerful to hear. And here we're now on episode 18. So you're right. Just through like social media, just through the things of, you know, giving women a platform because I thought, oh, it's, you know, corporate, it's this, it's that. And I mean, again, people know I'm unemployable in a social environment. or a human resource nightmare, but they don't care. They embrace me for who I am. And I think that that, you know, you bring up, that's such a powerful thing that you just said. So thank you both for sharing that. Speaking of being authentic and building authentic brands, what advice would you give to women entrepreneurs on building their authentic brand through like social media platforms? I would say, first, do the work to figure out who you are, who you really, really are, and then show up unapologetically with that voice. And there's a lot running around right now on all of the groups about video. And I think it's Jerry that's saying, just do the video. Just get started. I don't even care if it's good. Get in your habit of practicing, of showing up. Set your fears aside. and just start showing up. Do the best you can. And if you're not ready to be on video or on a podcast, start commenting on other people's posts and get your voice out there. And the more comfortable you get, then your ultimate goal is to get out. To me, your ultimate goal is to get out there and get on video or get on a podcast. where you can be authentic, tell your story, make sure you have a story to tell and work on your business so that you have a good story to tell and tell everything. Talk about your community involvement. Talk about who you are as a person because people buy from people. But I think it all starts with a strong inner core of knowing who you are so that you can then put that out into the world. I mean, that's deep. You are so right, though. Yeah. And Carrie, I mean, do you have anything that you would like to add to that as far as I mean, you've been on TV, you know what that feels like? Yes, briefly. I agree with what Shannon said. I mean, I guess what I would add to it is that you still have to step in to fear, right? even though it is important to do the work and know your power. But that's a journey. To me, that's not a destination because it changes all the time. And sometimes you wake up and you feel like, I got this. And there are other days you wake up and you're like, I'm terrified to do that. And you have to step in and do it anyway and not be afraid to fail, not be afraid of what somebody is going to say or what they're going to think. And it becomes a little pep talk. And I was just talking to someone else about this a couple of weeks ago, and I forget who this challenge came from. Maybe it was Mel Robbins, but she was talking about high-fiving yourself in the mirror every morning. and for five days in a row to create this habit. And so I was telling somebody else, we should do that. We should high five ourselves in the mirror every morning. And it's not easy to me. It was a little intimidating, but you're so, it's so easy to do with somebody else. Like I wouldn't even, it wouldn't faze me to tell Shannon, like, you got this, you'll kill this, you know, survivor. But to do that to yourself and recognizing you have power, you have fear, it's okay, but you can step into that still and do it. And it just moves you forward. So. And I think it's also important to acknowledge that, A couple of things. Carrie taught me early on in our friendship not to always show up as having my shit together and having all the answers and all the things. She was like, could you please just be messy for once? And I would call her. This is way back when. I would call her and I would say, so how are you? And she'd go, I'm fantastic. And I was like, good. like every day you're fantastic so annoying and I thought nobody wanted to hear anything else like I thought everybody needed to be the one the cheerleader telling me like I'm fantastic and you can be too and it changed our friendship don't you think yeah the morning that I called her and said how are you and she's like And I don't know what you said, but it wasn't fantastic. And I was like, I'm not celebrating that you're unhappy, but thank God just can't be fantastic every day. Tell me what's going on. And it really allowed us to take that barrier down and just be real. So when you do the work to figure out who you are and show up authentically, there are bumps that are going to come in the road. And that doesn't mean you shouldn't keep staying on the path, but there are going to be days where, or periods where your voice, like there are times, it's not my story to tell, but there are times, you know, maybe when your voice got taken away and you didn't feel like. Um, you know, you have the same power that you've had, like, that's part of the process and part of the journey of getting back. So I just want to, I don't want everybody to think that like, oh, it's easy. You're just supposed to figure out who you are, stand in the mirror, high five yourself. And now you're going to, you know, you've got to be great. There's nothing about it. Yeah. It's not easy and it's a messy path, but God, it's rewarding. You know, I love that this actually segues right into the next thing that I kind of wanted to talk to the both of you about, and that is experiences and challenges. And I love that you brought up about bringing yourself to a space and not always having it together. And Shannon, you know, I'm going to revert back to the first time that I met you at that women's conference. And I'll never forget. And these were some notes that I took. So I just want to share this real fast. And the notes that I took from that first conference that you spoke to my soul, it was as if you knew exactly what I needed to hear that day. And it was What if you stop wondering if you're good enough and started acting like you were? You have a choice to take charge that you woke up on the right side of the dirt. Start with a smile on your face. You were born enough and then the world got its hands on you. Some bullshit someone else told you you are not enough. You deserve to be here. What is your superpower and what brings you joy? What lights your soul on fire? And girl, stop apologizing. That to me, to hear it that day, whenever you were done speaking, actually, I wasn't wearing a pink dress that day. The first time we met, I was wearing a navy blue dress. But you, I wore a pink dress before. That's the second time I think we met. But that day you got off stage because I raised my hand and congratulated you for being so powerful in a room full of people that you didn't know, or maybe some that you did, but that you were able to convey yourself and speak with such power that for me, like I said, it just spoke to me and you came off stage and that's when you actually hugged me. But being in that place, you saw something in me. You thought that I had my shit together and you thought that I was this person when honestly, I think it was January. I had just left a horrible relationship with two suitcases and traveled across the country and had no direction. Left my business, left everything. And then was in this place of here I am now. I am so free. This feels so good. So the only reason why I know that that was a Navy dress because I spent 3,000 on my shoes and another 1,500 on the rest of that outfit. So I knew what I was wearing. You know what? That is such a great point because what I must have been attracted to was your authenticity. Sometimes when you're so raw and so at the bottom, that's when you're your most real self because you can't bullshit. She tells me that all the time. She'll say, I love it when you get messy. I'm like, I'm at the store in my slippers. She's like, I love it. I love it. Tell me. Well, I was on the flip. I was a mess inside, but on the outside, I couldn't be a mess. I had to. And I think that I'm sure we've all read about this or seen this. Even if you're feeling in a certain headspace, do those things that make you feel good. Put on that perfume that you smell good. Just do something. Get your nails painted. Dress up, even if you're working from home. So those little things, at least for me, fashion does that for me. You're grabbing your power from the inside and the best way that you can. That's amazing. Absolutely. Nothing a pair of Jimmy Choo's won't fix. I know. That's my motto. I am so guilty for that. I love that you bring that up. So being an inspiring leader, what advice do the both of you have for women that are aspiring to step into leadership roles? I know you kind of touched on social media, but maybe someone that's listening to this isn't in the flooring business or they're aspiring to be an entrepreneur. What would be something that you could share with them to kind of get them to that next catapult? I think believe that you deserve it. Believe that you're worthy. And then start acting like it. You have to dig deep and believe that you are worth being a leader and that you have something to say and you can influence people and figure out what your superpower is and start sharing it. And even if you see where you want to be, but you have to take baby steps to get there, just get started. Like tell your fear to sit in the back seat and just get started. And I would add to that, surround yourself with good people and people that have the skills, the experiences, the perspective that you aspire to have or that just inspire you and your growth. And so whether that's just having a mentor or it's people that you socialize with, just making sure that you have that community to lean on, to share, to drive you forward. Again, because I mean, who wants to go out alone? I think just having people around you makes the difference. Our friend Mel Talley has a group, a women's group called Unsubscribe. And it's a bunch of strong women that all get together once a month. And you don't really realize the power and the impact of it until you miss a month. But that group of women, like we feed each other and we build each other up and it sustains us through until the next month. So I totally agree with surrounding yourself with a strong community. I mean, and this is another example, like this is an online, very strong community. So being a part of this is critical. Absolutely. Oh my gosh. Unsubscribe. How do I get involved in that? That sounds amazing. I know we need to figure out how to like get people in virtually or just come to Denver, but she has a Facebook. Um, and when you read the description, it's unsubscribing to bullshit. Like there are times where I have shown up in sweatpants and in tears and There's sometimes I've shown up in a fur coat with my ass on my shoulders and my Jimmy shoes. You show up as who you are that day and everyone embraces you for who you are. It's the most incredible group of women I've ever been a part of in 30 years in this industry. I know. I feel like everyone's going to need to do an unsubscribe podcast. I think so. Yeah, absolutely. That sounds fabulous. So some closing thoughts here. We've talked a lot about women standing in their power. That's really what this podcast too is truly about. How do each of you define standing in your power and how has that concept influenced your own personal and professional lives? I'm going to keep saying this exact same thing over and over. Figure out who you are. Don't apologize for it. Celebrate it and keep practicing, like stay in the flow, stay in alignment with who you really are and fight as hard as you have to fight every single day to stay stay true to yourself. And I think the rest will work itself out. love that yeah because then you're going to start attracting other people with that kind of energy and then yeah and it's just going to keep compounding and growing well and when you can be your authentic self and stand in your power it gives permission to other people to do the same. Yeah, you're the example. Yeah. They see that and like, I can do that. I know I can do that. Or I see in her what I feel like I can aspire to be or who I am and I'm not showing up for myself and I'm mad about it. I need to get out there and do it. And so it helps bring all of us along together, right? And be on that journey. And to me, I said this earlier, but it's a journey. It's not a destination. It's taking the time to know yourself. It's changing because if you don't change, then life's not going to move forward. And so it's always revisiting that and getting comfortable and understanding your powers and your skills and then going out and collecting new ones. It's like, go find some new stuff to throw in your bag and bring it to the table. It may not work for everybody, but that's okay. And don't apologize for your growth. And it will make other people sometimes get mad when you shine because they haven't found their light yet. Right. And but that's not a reflection on you. It's not a good or bad. You just move forward and do you. Yeah. And it's to decide if you want to set a boundary and say, I don't have the space for that. Or if you want to scoop that person up and say, hey, I see you. I see that you're in pain or struggling here. I can be the light if you choose to accept it. And I think that's important. We didn't really talk about this, but as far as having boundaries and saying no. That's something that we've worked on a lot, talked about a lot over these past few years of, yes, it's important to show up. Yes, it's important to do things and be the best version of yourself. But that doesn't work for every situation, for every person that you encounter, for every client. Sometimes it's not a good fit. And being able to have just as much comfort and confidence in saying no and walking away from certain situations It's just as empowering. It's so powerful when you say no to something that's not in alignment and then you don't spend six months cleaning up a situation you shouldn't have been in to start with. Girl, I know. I love that so much. I think that we could sit and talk for hours about all of this stuff and maybe even have an entire episode on it. The both of you bring so much knowledge, so much authenticity, so much beauty, and I'll say it again, so much power to this stage. And I know whoever listens to this is going to take something away that they needed to hear. So I give you accolades and thank you so much for spending time with me today and sharing your experiences and all of your professional advice for women in this industry. Thanks for giving us the opportunity. Yeah. And so this is your social. What are some of your other socials that people can find you? So we tell everybody to go to our website if you want to follow us for the business. All the icons are on there. And if they're not on your website for your business, make sure that they are because that's how people find you. And personally, I'm Shannon Vogel everywhere on every social site. I'm not going to play with you on Snapchat, but everything else I will participate in. And I'm Carrie at Ryan Davis. That is so amazing. Ladies out. Thank you so much. Thank you. I look to connect with you after and I'll give you all of the bells and whistles for you to share this with anyone else that you would like to share. And again, thank you for believing in this podcast. Thank you for believing in me and giving me your energy and time today. You make it easy. Yeah. All right. We'll see you next time. I love you. Bye. Guys, oh my God, what a powerhouse group those ladies were. I am so ecstatic that I have sponsors like LATICRI also being pushed by the WOFB and then my company also sponsoring this podcast. And a word from our sponsor, if you can imagine products that not only meet but exceed the toughest industry standards with third-party certifications to back them up, with LATICRI, you get that peace of mind of solutions with design to stand the test of time. That's LATICRI promise. 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Coffee with Cameo, when I really unpack more about designer dopamine as a design tool for your designers, but also talking with Georgia Ezra from the creative director of Tile of Ezra from Australia. And I'm also chatting with Leslie Godden, journalist of the Tile Artisan. So I am super excited to chat with these ladies. And you can also join the WOFB along with other women to be a part of the conversation. You can find us on the Facebook conversations and chat with me, thousands of others. And here's the LATICRE too. So go to LATICRE.com. We've covered it all. Here's your podcast, Reaching Your Pockets, be a sponsor, womenflooring.com. And that is it for this one. Thank you so much for joining me. I'm Cameron with the W-O-F-B.
